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The Church and Women

October 28th, 2009 Posted in Stuff that makes me mad, humanity

It has been such a long time since I’ve faced discrimination by the church, that when it smacked me up-side the head, twice in one week, it sent me reeling a bit.

In the first instance, I was at a retreat for pastors about Missional church. I was the only woman in a group of pastors, most of whom were Southern Baptist. One was pastor of a UCC church, so I thought there was hope, until he explained that his church left the UCC when they voted, as a denomination, in favor of gay marriage. I knew, by the time the introductions were over, that I was in the wrong place.

But I stayed, thinking that perhaps I was jumping to conclusions. I was not wrong. I had signed up for a three day retreat, but left that evening, after enduring masculine visual aids (all the people in the slides were men), having the leader call the group, “Men,” constantly, and being ignored, and even worse, argued with during the discussion time. I found myself getting really upset.

And the thing is, all these pastors were expressing their concern over their churches dying. Duh! Of course they’re dying! You don’t even offer to women the freedom they enjoy in the rest of our culture.

The second time was upon looking at a conference about missional community called Verge being held in 2010 in Austin, Texas. A person I follow on twitter was excitedly tweeting about it. So I looked at the website. Not one single woman on the roster for this conference. The conference leaders seem to mostly be SBC, and we know that they won’t respond to my request to add at least one woman to their roster.

Those of you who knew me in seminary know how painful the experience was. Hardly a day passed when a male student didn’t say to me, “You can’t be a minister! You’re a girl!”

Even worse than all that, one of my friends tweeted me, “we’ve gotta love those who interpret scripture differently though.” Really? Really? Love them, sure, but accept where they are wrong in interpreting Scripture? If this was any other scripture verse (like perhaps the ones on slavery?) would we think we should respect their points of view?

No.

I have been insulated from the issues of exclusion of women in ministry. Living in the progressive/liberal world shelters me from the sexism so rampant in the evangelical church.

I am so sorry that the little girls sitting in those churches don’t have the opportunity to see women in leadership. I’m sad that they’ll grow up like me, doubting God’s call on their life, because there are no clear role models. It’s tragic that these little girls will grow up thinking they are not as valuable as boys, simply because their churches interpreted Scripture so wrong.

I’m torn about putting myself in more places where women are unwelcome in leadership. I’ve enjoyed my protected place. But I don’t think I can leave my sisters to suffer.

When was the last time a woman filled the pulpit at your church? Time to ask the pulpit supply team for some new faces.

9 Responses to “The Church and Women”

  1. Drew Tatusko Says:

    all questions we need to continue to ask until it seems funny to ask them anymore. we don’t ask about slavery. if we do, it is strange right?


  2. Jonathan Brink Says:

    Rogue, I want to first validate how you felt by the two experiences. It’s a deep problem and one that absolutely needs to be addressed.

    But something hit me in what you said that I want to ask about. Does love mean validating the content of someone’s belief? Or does it mean validating the dignity of the person, even if the content does jibe? I don’t see the former as part of the Way, but I do see the latter.

    I guess I just didn’t want you to think anyone was expecting you to agree with the content. True justice calls for both truth and grace. And you were speaking the truth.


  3. Derek Says:

    I agree with you Lia, but just be sure not to begin to lump all evangelicals into the same group…SBCs have their own issues, but I consider myself an evangelical and I believe God calls women into pastoral ministry…


  4. Lia Says:

    Jonathan,

    First, I love being called “Rogue.” That makes me smile.

    Second, love doesn’t mean validating the content of one’s belief, especially when it means invalidating another’s human rights.

    And perhaps the best way to love people who misinterpret Scripture is to educate them, to keep doing what women do in church (by the way, I heard one of the best sermons I’ve heard in a long while today, and, yep, you guessed it. A woman), to do our jobs well.

    And while women have come a long way, we still have so far to go. I just think I should get off my bum and get busy.


  5. Lia Says:

    And point taken, Derek. Thanks.


  6. JB Says:

    I’m really sorry for your experiences. It makes me sick. Thanks for speaking out against this injustice that many people still blindly accept. I pray more women–and men–have the courage to expose it for the damage it does to people’s lives.


  7. Songbird Says:

    Lia, you are made of awesome. I would not have been able to sit through as much as you did. As a childhood Southern Baptist who moved to New England and THEN went to seminary, I had left behind the culture of my childhood. There is still sexism in the more progressive denominations, but it’s not as blatant and it’s getting better. I believe it. Did you see the discussion of “A Church of Her Own” at RevGalBlogPals this week? A lot of it was right on point.


  8. Casey Says:

    Give ‘em hell and come to Austin so I can buy you lunch. :)


  9. Alan Hirsch Says:

    I am also profoundly sorry for the way men have treated women as second class citizens of the Kingdom. Very unchristlike.


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